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Intravenous Vitamin C to Suppress Epstein Barr Virus (and others)? Doctors Will Not Help... what about Liposomal Vitamin C?
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re: Vitamin C
Real science is never settled, and anyone who has certainty on such things is not qualified to discuss it.
UPDATE 2023-06-26: I’ve been following my Vitamin C regimen for almost two weeks now. This anecdotal N=1 case report resulted, purely coincidentally on day two in a notable uptick in energy, along with (by days 3/4) a reduction in sleep needs of ~1.5 hours, a reduction in daytime tiredness. At day 5, the strongest ride in months with power/watts (subjectively, and as per lab-grade SRM power meter). Ongoing ability to work at computer all day long, improving steadily such that a 9-hour day just fine vs 2-4 hours days for so many months.
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My health continues to oscillate above and below barely acceptable. A former powerhouse, now just getting by. My physical ability ranges from 5% to 15% of before. It sucks.
Very likely my body’s ability to fight off reactivated Epstein Barr Virus is defective (a genetic thing for which there is now a researcher who has a test), along with auto-immune to my thyroid (Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis). All seemingly caused by COVID in April 2020* which reactivated EBV after recovery 6 weeks later as I resumed intense training.
* Never proven to be COVID, antibody test negative for COVID 4 months later, never got COVID to this day again. Which tells me that medical tests likely bullshit more often than we think. Never had anything like it before. If it wasn’t COVID, how did I never get it to this day including exposure to sick family members?
Intravenous Vitamin C
Decades ago, F R Klenner cured 100% of hundreds of polio cases and various other diseases using very high dose Vitamin C intravenously. No trial has ever disproven his methodology. Mostly it was just ignored in spite of presentations at conferences.
The route through the human gut cannot achieve more than modest increases over baseline with standard forms, and has certain solid-to-liquid consequences—try taking 10000mg or more orally... stay near the toilet.
Subsequent research has mainly consisted of “proving” IV C does not work by intentionally not following Klenner’s protocol, which equates to very low doses— tiny fractions of what Klenner used. Hence protecting the medical establishment from a cheap and easy cure for many diseases and toxins. Or at least making sure it never caught on.
If it is not in a medical textbook**, it doesn’t exist and cannot work. All conventionally-trained doctors know that, as a mantra beaten into them in medical school, the religon of allopathic medicine, to the detriment of hundreds of millions just here in the USA. A few wise up, given time.
I’m at a point where I’d like to try intravenous Vitamin C — somehing on the order of 10 grams to 50 grams for 4-5 days. I’d know pretty quickly if it were able to suppress EBV or not or if in general it were having a salutory effect.
But my doctor will not cooperate, claiming “risk of kidney damage”—unspecified and harkening back to the AIDS era. As far as I can tell, that claim is false* and indeed repudiated by all the research papers I can find.
So I’m stuck without being to try this treatment while Big Medicine and Big Pharma have exactly zero to offer me. The only thing so far that might have helped is Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN), which I am going to resume.
* Any intervention could have some side effects, but it appears that the risks of IV C are orders of magnitude less than Big Pharma drug given intravenously, many of which can quickly damage multiple organs.
** Half of what a doctor learns is out of date or just plain wrong a decade or two later, but what was learned and memorized once becomes the doctrine for most doctors—to the detriment of patients. In a sense, medicine is anti-science, in that too many practicing physicians stop questioning and instead cognitive commitments take over
Liposomal Vitamin in C as alternative dosing
I have no idea which of the brands is the best, but I’ve used Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C by LivOn Laboratories @AMAZON. My daughter says it “tastes like butt” and a friend hated it so much he gave his to me... not great but doesn’t taste that bad to me, sort of like a off-tasting snot-ball loogey but without the saltiness.
This passage below in Chapter Five, which suggests to me that one mode of attack is to try dosing with liposomal Vitamin C. The stuff is expensive, so dosing at 10 grams a day costs about $10. But if the stuff works, it’s more than worth it.
Emphasis added.
Intravenous Impact with Oral Administration
Vitamin C is an ideal substance for delivery by the basic, nontargeted liposome technology. Already documented to deliver roughly twice the maximum amount of vitamin C to the blood previously believed to be possible with other more “traditional” forms of oral vitamin C (Hickey et al., 2008), the clinical impact of liposome encapsulated vitamin C appears to exceed even the clinical impact of intravenous vitamin C. It would appear that the ability of liposomes to deliver their contents inside the cells, often without the consumption of energy (electrons) in the process, makes this intracellular bioavailability of the encapsulated substance to be superior to even intravenous infusion.
While the 100% delivery of something directly into the blood offers a tremendous advantage over all known forms of oral administration, intravenous infusion of any substance does not assure a direct, non-energy-depleting, access to the inside of cells, which is where the “sickness” is in most ill individuals.
However, this is not to suggest that intravenous vitamin C is not highly beneficial and should never be used. Much of the incredible information and research in this book clearly attests otherwise. Because of this, a sick, possibly toxic, individual is best advised to receive vitamin C by both the oral liposome encapsulated route and the intravenous route whenever possible. These two routes of administration work synergistically in optimizing the antioxidant capacity for treating a given condition.
However, given the choice of only one or the other, adequately dosed oral liposome encapsulated vitamin C will prove to be clinically superior to intravenous vitamin C in most instances. When the condition is very acute and largely contained in the blood, as with an acute intoxication such as a venomous snakebite, an intravenous infusion may well prove to be superior to any oral preparation, liposome-based or otherwise. However, the emphasis is on the immediacy of the clinical situation, as snakebite toxins responsive to the liposome encapsulated vitamin C after they have entered the cells and poisoned them from within. Given together, however, intravenous vitamin C and oral liposome encapsulated vitamin C are proving to be a combination that would have even made Dr. Klenner envious.
The dosing of oral liposome encapsulated vitamin C is approached in the same empirical manner that Dr. Klenner used on all of his patients. As the liposome encapsulated vitamin C is absorbed very rapidly when taken on an empty stomach, additional dosing can follow the initial dosing by as little as 30 to 60 minutes in the pursuit of a satisfactory clinical response. This is similar to the initial time frame of clinical response seen with intravenous dosing. When it is clear that the patient is responding positively and the clinical condition is clearly resolving, dosing may be maintained at the same frequency without further increase in dose amount. As with all vitamin C and antioxidant therapy, never discontinue therapy for at least 24 to 48 hours after the condition of the patient is felt to be completely cured or resolved. This is especially the case with rapidly evolving viral diseases. As with all other forms of vitamin C therapy, a poor or inadequate clinical response to liposome encapsulated vitamin C is best approached with a more vigorous and protracted dosing schedule.
Reader Thorsten K writes:
Just FYI I use this Liposomal C: Quicksilver Scientific Liposomal Vitamin C - 1000mg Buffered Liquid Vitamin C @AMAZON
No idea if it works any better than the LivOn you mentioned. But it tastes better to me anyway (my family disagrees). I can hold the Quicksilver one in my mouth for half a minute to get some of it absorbed already this way. To me it even tastes pleasant. Also when I had Covid, I drank this almost by the bottle. If it had any effect though on shortening the illness, who knows. But at least I could tolerate it in seemingly any amount. The LivOn gave me stomach problems.
WIND: haven’t tried it. All this liposomal stuff is darned expensive vs stuff like NutriBiotic - Ascorbic Acid With Bioflavonoids Powder @AMAZON eg 6 cents per 1000mg vs 121 to 137 cents—20X more expensive for the liposomal.
