re: COVID-19 Survivors Have Broad, Longer-Term Immunity
re: The Insanity of Requiring 130 Million Americans Who’ve Had COVID (natural immunity) to Get Vaccinated
ree: Does it make sense to vaccinate those who have had COVID?
re: Odds of Being Reinfected with COVID are Nil
re: ethics in medicine
Real science is never settled, and anyone who has certainty on such things is not qualified to discuss it.
COVID is not going away any time soon, so it’s a risk management decision weighing vaccination vs infection. If the risk profile is significant and a personal decision is freely made, vaccination is likely the best option for many, even given the potential injury from the vaccine and no compensation for it. Because it’s not just COVID itself but also Long-Haul COVID risks.
As of May 29, CDC estimated more than 120 million Americans— more than one in three— had already battled Covid. While an estimated six-tenths of one-percent died, the other 99.4% of those infected survived with a presumed immune status that appears to be superior to that which comes with vaccination.
Probably 130 million by now. Why take the risk of vaccination if you are already immune?
Marty Makary @ Twitter July 29 2021 tweets:
The pandemic of the unvaccinated is a misnomer. It's a pandemic of the non-immune. More precisely, it's a series of regional outbreaks in select pockets of the country with low population immunity. Same take-home message though: If you're not immune, get immune by getting vaxed.
WIND: as for myself, I would not risk the Trump vaccines without first being tested for antibodies to COVID (natural immunity). It’s bad risk management to take a significant risk for a totally unknown and probably near-nil “benefit” whose value has already been shown to wane quickly (hence booster shots).
We are in propaganda overload mode on this question of natural immunity vs vaccination. The prima facie evidence for that is that no one in government ever mentions natural immunity in the context of vaccination. Nothing out there promoting vaccination over natural immunity can be trusted, because free and open discourse is now forbidden.
Anti-Science policies could be fixed
Anyone testing positive for COVID antibodies should be issued a “COVID immunity certificate”.
Why the hell is this not being done? Because it would affective the “get vaxxed” narrative, damn the science. And... follow the money—it’s not profitable financially, or for the power-hungry.
A COVID immunity certificate should be considered to be a superior rating to a vaccination card, because a large percentage of the population has marginal response to the Trump vaccines (e.g, the most at risk, the elderly).
Below, be sure to read the confounder section of this study, which is designed to conclude in favor of the narrative, but is in fact chock full of confounding factors and ignores all sorts of important questions which could flip the findings entirely (including severity, real or imaginary infections, non-random testing, etc). In other words a prime candidate for the COVID-19 retraction list. And it is in total opposition to far larger studies in Israel.
And a far less no narrative-friendly post:
Hard data counters widespread public misinformation that claimed “virtually all" patients hospitalized and dying of Covid-19 are unvaccinated. Pfizer and Moderna had claimed their vaccines were “100% effective” at preventing serious illness. Many in the media even popularized a propaganda phrase designed to push more people to get vaccinated: "pandemic of the unvaccinated.”
Not so, says CDC and other data.
Recent CDC data found that 74% of those who tested positive for Covid-19 in a Massachusetts analysis had been fully-vaccinated. Equally as troubling for those advocating vaccination-for-all: four out of five people hospitalized with Covid were fully-vaccinated. And CDC said "viral load” — indicating how able the human host is to spread Covid-19 — is about the same among the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Contrary to the infamous misinformation by CDC Director Rochelle Walensky last May, vaccinated people can— and are— spreading Covid. (CDC officials later corrected Walensky's false claim.)
...small analysis in Kentucky... "Kentucky residents who were not vaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated."
...Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.
WIND: who do you believe? The science is all over the place. I for one will go with natural immunity as the best possible thing if you already have it. Otherwise, for those at risk and/or those who fear (rightly) Long-Haul COVID, it seems sensible to place your bet on the Trump vaccines.